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KiwiBirdMonday, February 15, 2010, 2:15:00 PM
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With so many folks and boats competing this year, I hope you're all deeply pondering on where to park your poop. Leave No Trace is only part of the mantra. Please don't dig cat holes when stealth camping but consider some type of system where you can poop, pack and drop at the next checkpoint. WagBags are my poop system of choice, in the comfort and privacy of my own tent with nothing biting my bare rear end. A few sheets of newspaper and a ziplock will also do the trick (ask Wizard). I fully appreciate I may develop a reputation on the topic (or have), but it's a subject dear to my heart with the longevity of beautiful Florida (or anywhere!) in mind. For those really into it too, you can read my magnum opus on outdoor waste systems for Sea Kayaker mag (http://www.seakayakermag.com/2008/August08/waste-systems.htm). And may you too be regular....     KB
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Thread: Packing it out
KomoniwannashoyaReally good idea
Monday, February 15, 2010, 2:49:00 PM
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KB - really good point.

As someone who has lived aboard, I can tell you first hand that your waste is the last thing you want to leave floating around in a waterway.

Offshore I must admit that I use the trimaran's APO (all purpose orifice).  The APO is the space between the hull and the trampoline - complete with salt water bidet.
Inshore, it's urinal and overboard for the one and plastic shopping bag (doubled) for the other.

It never even occurred to me that they made people poop bags.  It must be the Scott in me.

Also I find that massive levels of adrenaline tend to keep me pretty much focused on other things and the matter doesn't seem to come up much.  Is that just me?

May the fiber be with you...     Mark
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ChiefLeave No Trace
Monday, February 15, 2010, 2:52:00 PM
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I use WagBags and they work very well.
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FatfrankI thought this system looked interesting
Monday, February 15, 2010, 3:55:00 PM
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http://www.fastq.com/~jrschroeder/poop.htm

I thought this might be a lttile better because you are not throwing away more plastic every time.

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KiwiBirdWagBags
Monday, February 15, 2010, 4:02:00 PM
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Just delightful cleaning that system out, Frank ;)  Another reason I like WagBags is that the entire package is biodegradable and landfill approved, which is a very good incentive for not leaving it in your boat by mistake.
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ScaremanWagbags - Multiple uses?
Monday, February 15, 2010, 10:05:00 PM
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Is it true the Wagbags are designed for multiple uses?
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danceswithmulletpoo
Monday, February 15, 2010, 10:14:00 PM
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Depends on what you eat! Never eat M.R.E.s labeled beef enchaladas!
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KiwiBirdWagBags
Tuesday, February 16, 2010, 7:06:00 AM
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Scareman, if you mean can more than one person use a WagBag at one time: then, yes. I wouldn't want to open it up again and reuse, if that's where you're going ;)     KB
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ChesapeakeWagbags
Tuesday, February 16, 2010, 8:55:00 AM
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I spent almost a week without running water when a plow damaged my well during the last big snowfall here in Maryland. I was able to use one WagBag per day by using a twisty on the inner bag between uses. The aroma is about the same as a fresh Porta Potti and nowhere near as bad as one that has been used by crowds for a weekend. FWIW, I had a 5 gallon bucket that I put the WagBag in and soon learned that the inner bag should be placed in the outer bag before the first use. Also, a seat would have been nice.

Ron
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Boomy dad is a goof
Tuesday, February 16, 2010, 9:32:00 AM
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5 Gallon Bucket and Seat

 

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ManitouCruiserWHY?
Tuesday, February 16, 2010, 3:58:00 PM
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I'd like to defend the other side of this topic if I could.

Aren't we humans? Did we not come from this Earth? Don't we have the right as fellow animals on this planet to give back to the earth as our Creator intended?

I can understand "packing it out" when you travel in an environment that can't handle such waste, such as high altitude spots and overused spots, but the oceans of this earth are built to recycle such things as poop. I can't remember seeing any fish jump out of the water, run up to the trash can at the park and send their poop bag off to be thrown on top of the ever rising landfill just out of town!

Many native peoples view all things as gifts and honor the energy that flows through all things. I count myself among these native peoples and I refuse to stop my flow of energy by pooping in a bag and trucking it to some other location, who knows where????

Is there some kind of science behind this that I am missing out on? Are we as paddlers polluting the ocean and causing great harm to the Earth with a few poorly placed turds? If we are than I have totally missed it. 

I've traveled a bunch of the Florida coast and I've never ever seen a poop pile on the beach, even when I was in last place during a Challenge.  

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kapakahiThat's a bunch of crap!! :-)
Tuesday, February 16, 2010, 4:45:00 PM
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Minimum-impact practice for human waste disposal in the backcountry is a complex issue, one that is complicated by the logistics of disposal related to different activities as well as drastically different ecosystems that are affected in various ways by human waste.

While there are some general rules for environmentally friendly waste disposal, in many cases the method used is entirely situation-dependent.

To ensure that the impact from human waste on an area is minimized, we must determine the best methods for disposal and then work to educate users on acceptable practices for that particular area.

"Poo," is a natural part of living, and with a little effort can be dealt with in a way that won’t affect the health of others or the aesthetics of the wilderness waterways.

Toilet Paper is a real health issue as it does not break down fast enough and disease can spread rather quickly. We burn or pack out TP on all Wisconsin Rivers. 

I used bathrooms on the EC...For me they were spaced out perfectly or I was scared S*** less... not sure which. :-)

Kap

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