| Thread: Hi Folks... a rudder question... |
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| natecanoes | rudder deployment Saturday, July 03, 2010, 4:13:00 PM Category: General Comment Keyword: |
I guess you can't really go wrong with the rudder deployment system on the Sea Wind. A small rope in a jam cleat that holds the rudder up, when you release it, the rudder falls down into the water, and if you hit anything, it will simply kick the rudder up, and it will fall back down when it has passed over the obstacle. If you wanted a positive deployment setup I know Necky kayaks had a loop of rope and a jam cleat, you would pull one side of the loop to deploy and one side to raise the rudder. I prefer the Sea Wind method, the Necky rudders don't "give" when they hit something.
The Seal Line rudders on the QCC kayaks employ a coil spring to deploy the rudder, and hold it in the water, and a rope and cleat to raise it. I still think the Sea Wind rudder is better, I have got fine mud and silt in my Seal Line rudder that has prevented it from lowering. |
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| Ridgerunner | rudder Saturday, July 03, 2010, 5:45:00 PM Category: General Comment Keyword: |
| With the modified rudders I use on my Sea Wind, I use a hold down core with a jam cleat, but I put a section of bungee in the middle so that it can come up if it encounters a rock or oyster bar. |
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| maddave440 | rudder Saturday, July 03, 2010, 11:08:00 PM Category: General Comment Keyword: |
| Hi. Go to wwwbaloghsaildesigns.com and look for rudders. See the balanced rudder design. I think this design has a proven track history. I been using this design for 20 years. Maddave |
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| crestedspray | Thanks Dave! Sunday, July 04, 2010, 8:49:00 AM Category: General Comment Keyword: |
Thanks Dave! Ill have a look see. I made a rudder that was a kind of a lot of blends - even from Nick Shades book. Somewhere in the middle is mine - its robust - maybe too much so. It is wood I should mention so relying on the "drop-down" method simply wont work as its too bouyant. Ultimatley, Im going to make one out of aluminum. I did read on the website however about the 20% rule for balance. I think mine is something closer to 10% all said and done so it might be a pain. The reality here is that so much is off the beaten path here, specificaly the ama/aka set up of a lone weighted outrigger [which kaupat swears really works].
Im guessing this summer season will be about tweaking and reworking and then comes the winter ill develop less clunky akas. A lot of wood is there specifically because in real world im not sure where the final adjustments will go. Itll be fun all in all.
Pete |
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| DogsLife | Rudder Down Haul Wednesday, July 07, 2010, 12:32:00 PM Category: Equipment Keyword: Rudder |
Pete,
I built my own rudder. The down/up haul rotates around the top of the rudder blade. I used Parachute cord. The cord is a continuous loop with an inexpensive jam cleat and deck loop by the cockpit. On the Downhaul side I formed two slip not loops ~ one foot apart. In between the two loops I tied a bungee cord. When I lock the rudder in the down position the bungee acts as a shock absorber allowing the rudder to kick up if I run into something but keeps enough pressure on the blade to keep it from pivoting underway...
Paul
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| redeyepaddler | rudder design Thursday, July 08, 2010, 11:55:00 PM Category: General Comment Keyword: |
| dogs life: the continuous loop is a great tip. i have a different rudder shape, but i'll work on this aproach. my downhaul has to be under the water where it meets the blade, so i'm working on getting rid of its vibration at speed. |
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| Wizard | Vibration Friday, July 09, 2010, 8:52:00 AM Category: General Comment Keyword: |
Twisted pairs don't vibrate at canoe speed. Using the smallest diameter cord (or wire?) that will bear the load & chafe (braided seine twine is okay), run 2 short lines from the attachment point on the blade. Then twist the 2 parts around each other several times. The twisted part only needs to run to above the waterline, then you can tie into a heavier line to be easier on the hands.
Tip: put a reverse twist on each part of the pair as you twist them together, so the total torque balances out, and they'll be less prone to un-twist.
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| redeyepaddler | down haul line Tuesday, July 13, 2010, 10:32:00 PM Category: General Comment Keyword: |
| i just tried the twisted lines with masons line, and the downhaul is not humming at speed. very cool. cant say why it works, the twists still have some elastisity as well. the craftmeship is as enjoyable as the sailing. this made my day!
an east wind set up this noon, and thats at the beam for 6 miles down the narrow bay here on the kawishiwi, just rippin. beating it back home reminds me how nice it will be to make a foiled rudder to match this new downhaul..... |
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