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Thread: Hi Folks... a rudder question...
crestedspraySaturday, July 03, 2010, 12:19:00 PM
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I built my rudder from scratch.  As per BSD [not sure if its Mark or Dave who mentions this]
but true to instruction my rudder hangs 14" below the bottom of my kayak.  I have to say it looks good, but there went my 4" draft!!!  At anyrate, this whole sailrig is in the beta construction stage but its like 99.7% done.  Realistically and conservatively, it ought to be waterbourne in two weeks time. 

alas, I have a question...

I never used my kayak with a rudder.  I know nothing about rudders etc. some nifty plans i used - a little CLC, a little of mine, a little BSD too. But the question persists - how do I raise and lower this thing?

1.  Do some folks just use a tension knob and let brute friction hold it down?

2.  What if you hit a rock and it comes flying up - how do you get it back down?

3. Etc etc....

So Im guessing I need an uphaul and downhaul line.  This poses another question however...

So say you hit a rock and you have your line holding your rudder in the down position - something has to give here.  Do you guys use bungies for the up and down ropes?

I thought about just putting bungies on the rudder housing itself and letting that tension hold it down.

This is all beta stuff folks.  I just want the d---ed thing in the water finally.  Its mighty ugly in some places but so much here is new design of an old concept that I have a lot of excess weight here and there until I know wherer everything  goes for what ama angle, aka angle, etc etc.


I appreciate your help and my thanks in advance.

Pete
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Thread: Hi Folks... a rudder question...
natecanoesrudder deployment
Saturday, July 03, 2010, 4:13:00 PM
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I guess you can't really go wrong with the rudder deployment system on the Sea Wind. A small rope in a jam cleat that holds the rudder up, when you release it, the rudder falls down into the water, and if you hit anything, it will simply kick the rudder up, and it will fall back down when it has passed over the obstacle. If you wanted a positive deployment setup I know Necky kayaks had a loop of rope and a jam cleat, you would pull one side of the loop to deploy and one side to raise the rudder. I prefer the Sea Wind method, the Necky rudders don't "give" when they hit something.

The Seal Line rudders on the QCC kayaks employ a coil spring to deploy the rudder, and hold it in the water, and a rope and cleat to raise it. I still think the Sea Wind rudder is better, I have got fine mud and silt in my Seal Line rudder that has prevented it from lowering.

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Ridgerunnerrudder
Saturday, July 03, 2010, 5:45:00 PM
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With the modified rudders I use on my Sea Wind, I use a hold down core with a jam cleat, but I put a section of bungee in the middle so that it can come up if it encounters a rock or oyster bar.
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maddave440rudder
Saturday, July 03, 2010, 11:08:00 PM
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Hi. Go to wwwbaloghsaildesigns.com and look for rudders. See the balanced rudder design. I think this design has a proven track history. I been using this design for 20 years. Maddave
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crestedsprayThanks Dave!
Sunday, July 04, 2010, 8:49:00 AM
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Thanks Dave!  Ill have a look see.  I made a rudder that was a kind of a lot of blends - even from Nick Shades book.  Somewhere in the middle is mine - its robust - maybe too much so.
It is wood I should mention so relying on the "drop-down" method simply wont work as its too bouyant.  Ultimatley, Im going to make one out of aluminum.  I did read on the website however about the 20% rule for balance.  I think mine is something closer to 10% all said and done so it might be a pain.  The reality here is that so much is off the beaten path here, specificaly the ama/aka set up of a lone weighted outrigger [which kaupat swears really works].

Im guessing this summer season will be about tweaking and reworking and then comes the winter ill develop less clunky akas.  A lot of wood is there specifically because in real world im not sure where the final adjustments will go.  Itll be fun all in all.

Pete
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DogsLifeRudder Down Haul
Wednesday, July 07, 2010, 12:32:00 PM
Category: Equipment  Keyword: Rudder

Pete,

I built my own rudder. The down/up haul rotates around the top of the rudder blade. I used Parachute cord. The cord is a continuous loop with an inexpensive jam cleat and deck loop by the cockpit. On the Downhaul side I formed two slip not loops ~ one foot apart. In between the two loops I tied a bungee cord. When I lock the rudder in the down position the bungee acts as a shock absorber allowing the rudder to kick up if I run into something but keeps enough pressure on the blade to keep it from pivoting underway...

Paul

 

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redeyepaddlerrudder design
Thursday, July 08, 2010, 11:55:00 PM
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dogs life:  the continuous loop is a great tip. i have a different rudder shape,  but i'll work on this aproach.  my downhaul has to be under the water where it meets the blade,  so i'm working on getting rid of its vibration at speed.
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WizardVibration
Friday, July 09, 2010, 8:52:00 AM
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Twisted pairs don't vibrate at canoe speed.  Using the smallest diameter cord (or wire?) that will bear the load & chafe (braided seine twine is okay), run 2 short lines from the attachment point on the blade.  Then twist the 2 parts around each other several times.  The twisted part only needs to run to above the waterline, then you can tie into a heavier line to be easier on the hands.

Tip: put a reverse twist on each part of the pair as you twist them together, so the total torque balances out, and they'll be less prone to un-twist.


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redeyepaddlerdown haul line
Tuesday, July 13, 2010, 10:32:00 PM
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i just tried the twisted lines with masons line,  and the downhaul is not humming at speed.  very cool.  cant say why it works,  the twists still have some elastisity as well.  
the craftmeship is as enjoyable as the sailing.  this made my day!  

an east wind set up this noon,  and thats at the beam for 6 miles down the narrow bay here on the kawishiwi,  just rippin. beating it back home reminds me how nice it will be to make a foiled rudder to match this new downhaul.....
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