| Thread: Sleeping on the Water |
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| ThereAndBackAgain | Kruger/Tent Saturday, July 17, 2010, 4:30:00 PM Category: General Comment Keyword: |
I'm including a link to a blog page of mine. http://krugertent.blogspot.com/ It shows my "tent" system on a Kruger, hopefully it comes through. I sleep with and without flotation depending on conditions. I have a Balogh BOSS system and it has kept my upright in some nasty storms.
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| crestedspray | There you go Saturday, July 17, 2010, 8:53:00 PM Category: General Comment Keyword: |
Now thats what Im talking about. Excellent work with the fabric, and for that matter, fabrication. Id like to see your flotation for stability.
What brought it to my mind was that in looking at my local region and perusing the internet for Parks and camp grounds it became increasingly obvious commando camping would need to be the rule. And while thats ok to me, and I believe in leaving an area better than I found it, I just wished there were a way to be independent of the situation entirely. Even if it means you are floating in 2 feet of water.
I have to say the idea however of sleeping anywhere but in fairly protected waters is too un nerving to contemplate seriously. You know, swells kicking up at some nutty hour of the night, being run down by who knows what or harassed in general. And then the wonderful "what was that , that just bumped my hull".
Im going to visit your blog when i have more time to put into it. Excellent though!!
Pete |
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| kapakahi | TABA - kruger sea wind tent Sunday, July 18, 2010, 8:16:00 AM Category: General Comment Keyword: |
the tent TABA has designed is a keeper... it is efficient and well worth bringing it along on any adventure. I have TABA old Sea wind and the tent. >>>>> score!!
Advantages:
sleeping in the boat; is warm and comforting, wheather up on shore or on the water; less is more with the decked canoe as your body heat tumbles back on you and you stay quite comfy. the tent offers the abilitiy to sit up. sets up in seconds - 90 to be exact.
whoo hoo TABA
Kap
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| ThisTripIsNecessary | sleeping Monday, July 19, 2010, 11:00:00 AM Category: General Comment Keyword: |
Some years ago I was rowing on the river near the Mystic Seaport Museum when I saw a 'grizzled' fellow in some standard commericial canoe tied on a piling, arranging his gear. Something looked serious about him. He had a home-built sail rig but he also did a lot of paddling. He said he had come down from Maine and was heading to Maryland at least. He was keeping his gear in a cooler. On sleeping, he said he tried to make for shoreside motels, but if not lucky, he set up a 'sleep ama' and unrolled his bag on the bottom of the canoe (totally open except for some canvas over both ends). His sleep ama was small (sort of Balog-ish in size) and on a single alum. pole and was made from Dow insulation foam and duct tape; beam when assembled about 6 feet I guess. Always wondered how far he got.
REI has a narrow tent -- like a slice of dome tent, probably best called an 'arc tent' :-). It uses two poles, is tall enough to sit up in, and just wide enough for hips inside sleeping bag. Looked like a candidate for small-boat sleeping. I could wish it did without a fly and was made from breathable fabric to make it more smoothly aerodynamic, but they don't design these things for canoes, I suppose. -- Wade |
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| Chief | Sleeping At Anchor In Class 3 Friday, July 30, 2010, 9:47:00 AM Category: Technique Keyword: |
You can sleep in just about any Kruger or similar canoe while at anchor. I strongly suggest either having outriggers deployed or use a double blade kayak paddle with paddle floats on both ends. Of course these outriggers are not essential, but they will provide piece of mind.
The tent systems for Krugers are also very nice and essential for bug and rain protection although sleeping in your paddling clothes with a poncho and/or head net is also an option which I have done once or twice.
But it can get a bit cramped. The Tridarka Raider Conversion includes trampolines that can easily provide a sleeping platform using either a bivy bag or a small tent. There is even a rumor that a camping hammock can be deployed, but I don't see how that is possible - maybe it was just a dream. |
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| crestedspray | Hammocks and sleep Saturday, July 31, 2010, 9:16:00 AM Category: General Comment Keyword: |
| Hi Steve,
Hammock is a word thats synonymous with nap, but not sleep. Even through deep exhaustion, unless the mattress or bedding of any kind is relatively flat, its good for an hour. Ive never seen a camping hammock that had anything close to what id need for even passable bedding. I love the concept, it just doesnt work for me.
Pete |
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| Etchemin | Clark Hammock Saturday, July 31, 2010, 12:45:00 PM Category: General Comment Keyword: |
Crested
The first time i saw a hammock in use was on a river trip I took several years ago. A father and his son both had Clark hammocks and used them for about two months every night. They wouldn't let me try it out, they loved them that much. I decided then and there to try one. What made me really curious was that they said they could sleep on their sides. Since I'm a side sleeper that sealed the deal. The first time i got to use it was in northern Michigan at the home of Manitou Crusier, the builder of the Kruger boats. There was about 2 feet of snow on the ground and about 20 degrees. I was more than plesently surprised. It was all they said and more.
You didnt say if you had tried one or not but if you havent borrow one. Take a look at them at http://www.junglehammock.com/links.php I have no affiliation with them what so ever. Google them for reviews too.
Etch |
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| ThisTripIsNecessary | hammock Saturday, July 31, 2010, 1:04:00 PM Category: General Comment Keyword: |
I assume a hammock on a small boat would have to be guyed against swinging? Or somehow set very low in the hull, just suspended a hair-breadth over the bilge? My nightmare: hammock sets up a resonant roll with gentle waves; sleeper is pitched into water and drowns zippered up in bag and hammock, clubbed once or twice by the gunnels as an extra. --Wade |
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| Etchemin | My Bad Saturday, July 31, 2010, 8:22:00 PM Category: General Comment Keyword: |
Ididnt make it clear that what i was refering to was using a hammock on the shore. I cant see how one can use one on a boat unless you wrap yourself up in it without tying it off. One might use one on a sailboat with two masts maybe. TABAs tent is the way to go in a Kruger. Wish i had one.
Etch |
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| crestedspray | Wade... Saturday, July 31, 2010, 9:51:00 PM Category: General Comment Keyword: |
| Wade,
LOL - thats just so cold - because its so plausible, atleast from a laptop. I havent slept in the camping hammock mentioned, but add some drowning claustrophobia to that scenario and it is quite the nightmare! The clubbing is just icing on the cake.
Pete |
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| crestedspray | Etch Saturday, July 31, 2010, 9:56:00 PM Category: General Comment Keyword: |
Hi Etch,
The only hammocks ive napped in were regular classic hammocks tied off between trees, plenty wide. Im a side sleeper as well, so the thought of being banana spined all night isnt attractive in the least. You share these sentiments too, but found the hammock in your link quite comfortable in the face of that.
Thanks, Im going to investigate it. I know Steve posted something regarding it [seemingly eons ago] but i just blew it off as the marqui de sade way to get sleep. Again, thanks Im looking into it.
Pete |
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| Etchemin | Chickee Hammock Saturday, July 31, 2010, 10:30:00 PM Category: General Comment Keyword: |
I had a similar mental image when i thought about pitching my hammock between two poles on a chickee. Dark night, wind blowing, gator under the chickee waiting for the soft filling inside a sleeping bag that will shoot out of its husk on the third spin. That image made me shiver at first then laugh unitl i cried!! LOL!
Etch |
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| crestedspray | Alligator dreams Sunday, August 01, 2010, 7:28:00 PM Category: General Comment Keyword: |
They are gruesome creatures. Most tragic story in florida I read about was this poor guy. Hes out in a motorboat with his son. I think his son was like 7 or something. Damned thing came up and ripped the kid right out of the boat. If I recall, he didn t make it back. __________________________________________________________________________
It sounds like it was a long night . While nothing in the northeast is that threatening save for shark which we all have, I dont imagine I would have slept a wink under those conditions. Glad you made out ok and with spirit to boot.
Pete |
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| root | Hammock on SeaPearl 21 Monday, August 02, 2010, 10:54:00 AM Category: General Comment Keyword: |
I have slept in my Hennessy Hammock on my Seapearl 21. With the hammock tied just above each boom fitting on the mast, my butt was hanging about an inch above my center board and my body was sitting between the coamings of the forward compartment. Even with my width there was about an inch or so of clearance each way. So swinging was not an issue and my weight was pretty low in the boat. I was in flat water each time I have done this so I can not say from experience what it would have been like with wave action, but I had so little room to swing that I *think* I would have been ok.
I used the hammock on the Apalachicola River, and the first night out not to long after drifting off to sleep I dreamed that an alligator had climbed on the boat and was laying under the hammock waiting to eat me when I got out. The fact that there was only an inch of room for a gator under me did not help me sleep the rest of the night and I think I woke up every time a fish jumped after a bug. :)
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| ThisTripIsNecessary | OKI Monday, August 02, 2010, 11:48:00 AM Category: General Comment Keyword: |
OK, I understand. Nobody ever get mad at me for my imaginative wicked humor; I mean no harm! Must say I am surprized that hammocking in the Sea Pearl worked so well, though. Interesting.
I am tossing around the idea of sleeping in my cramped outrigger cockpit, in a bivvy sack, to save time pitching shore camp, or to enable sleep where there are dry land or beaching issues. The topsides rise 5 inches over the sleep-deck. I have no room to roll, period. I imagine I would fasten the bottom of both sleeping bag and bivvy-sack to the boat, so in worst case scenario, I could wriggle out of them sort of like kicking out of a tight kayak cockpit, and the bags wouldn't follow me nightmarishly -- I think this is a minimum requirement for sleeping in such boats. My outrigger canoe would resist rolling a little more than other boats. I don't know... -- Wade |
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| Chief | Hammocks In a Small Boat Tuesday, August 03, 2010, 6:53:00 AM Category: General Comment Keyword: |
OK, I'm going to fess up. I am working on a system that will allow a small camping hammock to be used on a Dreamcatcher or Sea Wind and perhaps on some other canoes/kayaks fit with the TRC system. I don't know for sure if this is going to work or if it is even a good idea. I'm going to build it and test it to find out.
Of course this is intended for use at anchor and also with the TRC amas. Guy lines out to the side should not be needed but could be used if desired. I don't recommend this system with very small amas or just paddle floats.
If this works without too much extra weight and bother, I'd much rather sleep in a hammock than out on a trampoline. Also, you really do need to have some sort of shelter that will work on land and for me a camping hammock is often the best choice. So why not get double duty.
I have used four different brands of camping hammock and all have their pros and cons. But for this application the Hennessy brand shines due to the entry through the bottom. It is perfect for this. |
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